tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-993649290245605005.post2499141415812382983..comments2024-03-28T02:36:36.432-04:00Comments on Writers Who Kill: So Many Books So Little TIme Part 1Jim Jacksonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15090252530437277145noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-993649290245605005.post-85284231424727781232012-07-15T16:23:09.714-04:002012-07-15T16:23:09.714-04:00I'm waiting for Part II.I'm waiting for Part II.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07149940452550321323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-993649290245605005.post-6842250652387603482012-07-14T10:29:29.616-04:002012-07-14T10:29:29.616-04:00Warren, I agree with your reasons to drop a book a...Warren, I agree with your reasons to drop a book and run, but mostly, I read the first page with two questions in mind: Can this writer write? Is there a promise of a good story ahead? If I get two yesses, I'll continue reading.Earl Staggshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13349667172813175960noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-993649290245605005.post-15369211825304255052012-07-14T10:28:52.304-04:002012-07-14T10:28:52.304-04:00Thank you Warren and commenters.I have a circle of...Thank you Warren and commenters.I have a circle of friends who regularly hand me novels along with glowing praise, certain that as a writer I will share their enthusiasm.Much of the time I do not.But I was taught to be polite so I struggle thru their offerings.Without guilt, I can now eliminate the pile of eight unfinished books on my nightstand. And I don't even have to begin Shades of Gray that a friend said I had to read before she loaned me the next one.I can return to writing what interests me.I should have remembered the lesson learned when we owned restaurants: you can't please all of the people all of the time. Don't try.Georgia Ruthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02385201859016332797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-993649290245605005.post-80018131796149465112012-07-13T21:22:35.861-04:002012-07-13T21:22:35.861-04:00EB, I like well-written books that switch POVs too...EB, I like well-written books that switch POVs too, but I know lots of people who don't.Warren Bullhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07789270258599769915noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-993649290245605005.post-22183112306541194552012-07-13T21:21:30.785-04:002012-07-13T21:21:30.785-04:00Jacquline, So true.Jacquline, So true.Warren Bullhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07789270258599769915noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-993649290245605005.post-39970690983228651732012-07-13T19:45:57.474-04:002012-07-13T19:45:57.474-04:00I was a judge in a contest this year too. There wa...I was a judge in a contest this year too. There was only one entry that I didn't read word for word--it was just awful--sorry, but the author didn't even know how to format, and then implausibility was a big issue. On contests, I agree, you must read every word (with horrible exceptions). But for pleasure reading, the author has to set the right tone, charm me a bit.<br /><br />I like multiple POV, Gloria, but head hopping is different (as you know) than multiple POV. The English don't seem to mind head-hopping. I've read some rather well received British authors and have been floored to find that their scripts contained head-hopping. The cultural difference translates to reading standards, in this case, substandard as per the US.E. B. Davishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16746747050278597888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-993649290245605005.post-20439207622065512172012-07-13T19:22:37.464-04:002012-07-13T19:22:37.464-04:00The beginning has to be intriguing, whether the la...The beginning has to be intriguing, whether the language is clever or the dialogue is interesting. I guess the old advice the writer needs a narrative hook to grab the reader applies to me. If the book is dull from the very beginning, I might put it down.Jacqueline Seewaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09177500620940251009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-993649290245605005.post-70890359261625379602012-07-13T17:32:25.203-04:002012-07-13T17:32:25.203-04:00Brenda,
That's just what I was saying in a nu...Brenda,<br /><br />That's just what I was saying in a nutshell.<br /><br />ThanksWarren Bullhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07789270258599769915noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-993649290245605005.post-33595926265862494262012-07-13T17:16:39.658-04:002012-07-13T17:16:39.658-04:00I often give books a second chance later, but for ...I often give books a second chance later, but for on-the-spot purchases they need to grab me early on like Hiaasen and Ludlum and Palumbo. Or have an overall theme that fascinates me so I keep reading.<br /><br />--BrendaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-993649290245605005.post-78395508380089652662012-07-13T16:38:38.918-04:002012-07-13T16:38:38.918-04:00Jan, You had only one ! Next week I will discuss s...Jan, You had only one ! Next week I will discuss stopping before I finish books.Warren Bullhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07789270258599769915noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-993649290245605005.post-52345445519235264722012-07-13T16:37:04.062-04:002012-07-13T16:37:04.062-04:00Pauline, I drop some books before I even get to kn...Pauline, I drop some books before I even get to know the characters well.Warren Bullhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07789270258599769915noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-993649290245605005.post-86948663366779154982012-07-13T12:48:44.555-04:002012-07-13T12:48:44.555-04:00I have a really hard time not finishing a book I&#...I have a really hard time not finishing a book I've picked out to read. I think I've only abandoned a book five or six times in my whole life. For some reason, I always want to know what happens in the story. But those books were all published by entities other than the author. Now I am more picky, and I won't even buy a book that is poorly formatted or littered with bad grammar in the sample because it's just irritating. But if it's the story itself that turns out bad, for some reason I have to finish it. I need to get over that! (You can stop reading here at the exclamation point.)Jan Christensenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02027877440748580764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-993649290245605005.post-28450926384419036412012-07-13T11:03:23.472-04:002012-07-13T11:03:23.472-04:00Since there are plenty of judges in the world I fo...Since there are plenty of judges in the world I focus on readers and being a reader. That's why I belong to book review groups and ask people what they're reading. A book can be grammatically perfect, have all the right twists and hooks but, if it reminds a reader of all the other carefully plotted books he's read, he'll drop it before the end. Why are readers interested in Swedish and Norwegian writers? Why is Fifty Shades of Grey so popular? It doesn't interest me. Readers look for the unusual, a character or situation relevant to their own lives,something emotionally satisfying, I believe. Although I grew up in the UK, I never read Agatha Christie because her characters and world weren't relevant for me. After I arrived in the US, I was told what a great plotter she was.Pauline Alldredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00847008019331163905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-993649290245605005.post-76601774825117203912012-07-13T10:48:10.378-04:002012-07-13T10:48:10.378-04:00Thanks Gloria. I used to think if I started a book...Thanks Gloria. I used to think if I started a book I had to finish it. No more.Warren Bullhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07789270258599769915noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-993649290245605005.post-36601594406487368722012-07-13T10:45:04.390-04:002012-07-13T10:45:04.390-04:00Pretty much the same with me, Warren.
EB, I don&...Pretty much the same with me, Warren. <br /><br />EB, I don't like the girly/macho bit, or the sicko stuff, either, but I don't mind multiple POV if it's done well. I also get annoyed if the writer is writing about something they obviously haven't researched well like the setting. If it's a book club pick, I try to read it all for discussion. <br /><br />Linda, I can't imagine keeping up with all the reading you have to do and still find time for writing. I'd be much more picky about what I read if I had that much reading for judging contests, etc.Gloria Aldenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13581719606924364447noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-993649290245605005.post-59997641377325893042012-07-13T09:58:19.776-04:002012-07-13T09:58:19.776-04:00Linda, I am a recovering editor/contest judge myse...Linda, I am a recovering editor/contest judge myself. I always read ever word of every entry, but it was quickly apparent which entries would not make the cut. That used up a lot of my tolerance for under-editingWarren Bullhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07789270258599769915noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-993649290245605005.post-29792621439841628892012-07-13T09:54:08.109-04:002012-07-13T09:54:08.109-04:00Kathryn,
You anticipate me. Part 2 is about when...Kathryn,<br /><br />You anticipate me. Part 2 is about when to stop reading a book you've started.Warren Bullhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07789270258599769915noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-993649290245605005.post-73477711669949696552012-07-13T09:53:02.617-04:002012-07-13T09:53:02.617-04:00Good list, EB.Good list, EB.Warren Bullhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07789270258599769915noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-993649290245605005.post-72483804724577295172012-07-13T09:38:37.386-04:002012-07-13T09:38:37.386-04:00Warren, I use your criteria basically. I've al...Warren, I use your criteria basically. I've always been an omnivorous reader, but we've been inundated with all these self-published books (some of which are quite good). I've become much more picky. If I'm reading the first few pages and you turn me off in any number of ways or I just can't get into the book, I stop.<br /><br />I suspect this also has to do with some of my freelancing gigs. I'm a screening judge for several different national book contests (poetry and literary fiction). People have paid to enter the contest, and I'm paid to read and evaluate, choosing only a very few to go on to big national judges. So I read through each manuscript completely, even if it's pretty clear from the first few pages that it's not going to be passed on. A matter of ethics. <br /><br />But after going through hundreds and hundreds of these every year, I'm much less patient with my own reading.Linda Rodriguezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11913741596693442469noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-993649290245605005.post-91762123918251289932012-07-13T08:36:27.478-04:002012-07-13T08:36:27.478-04:00I'll put a book back if it has more than one P...I'll put a book back if it has more than one POV on the first page. That tells me the author head hops and it'll probably be hard to keep up. <br /><br />I've also put a book back though I'd already read it half-way through because I didn't buy into the plot. The killer was stupid which in turn made the hero/heroine/police stupid since they couldn't catch her.Kathryn J. Bainhttp://www.kathrynjbain.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-993649290245605005.post-57667824454645718252012-07-13T08:16:21.914-04:002012-07-13T08:16:21.914-04:00Too girly/too macho
Switches in POV
Don't like...Too girly/too macho<br />Switches in POV<br />Don't like the MC<br />Too violent or sicko<br />Poor presentation (Kindle formatting hasn't been mastered)<br />All of the ones you described, Warren.<br /><br />Yes, I see books all the time that I want to read and know that I won't have time to get to them all. But I love the challenge!E. B. Davishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16746747050278597888noreply@blogger.com