tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-993649290245605005.post56244049463273320..comments2024-03-28T18:40:05.789-04:00Comments on Writers Who Kill: When I was a CrowJim Jacksonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15090252530437277145noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-993649290245605005.post-74572921363472200542014-01-26T17:33:28.791-05:002014-01-26T17:33:28.791-05:00Norma,
Isn't amazing how these little humilia...Norma,<br /><br />Isn't amazing how these little humiliations (at least for me projecting myself onto your circumstance) stay with us so long.<br /><br />~ JimJim Jacksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15090252530437277145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-993649290245605005.post-38487288623755121652014-01-26T16:58:31.889-05:002014-01-26T16:58:31.889-05:00Excellent post, Jim. I think of labels as a judgem...Excellent post, Jim. I think of labels as a judgement on someone's potential. Sadly, many people believe the limits that someone else imposes on their life. But, despite being labeled, you moved up a reading level and made high honor role.Kara Cerisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16484336785514235707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-993649290245605005.post-12170146218177103132014-01-26T16:00:51.533-05:002014-01-26T16:00:51.533-05:00I remember coming back to the first grade class af...I remember coming back to the first grade class after being sick. When the teacher called for the blue birds, I noticed I had some blue in my dress and confidently joined the group. I was not a blue bird. I don't remember anything else about that, but I did eventually learn to read, evidently. (This was in the 1930s, so such stuff has been around a long time.)Norma Husshttp://www.normahuss.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-993649290245605005.post-29661051783648121682014-01-26T14:44:16.949-05:002014-01-26T14:44:16.949-05:00There are enough cliques in schools without teache...There are enough cliques in schools without teachers/school officials creating even more. Great post!Lourdes Venardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16895832860480097297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-993649290245605005.post-65729461550518579472014-01-26T14:26:06.681-05:002014-01-26T14:26:06.681-05:00I'm afraid that we really don't have the r...I'm afraid that we really don't have the research we need to produce educaional programs that work well. Nobody lets a educational theory be implemented long enough before somebody else come up with a new one. We're just winding down with "No child left behind" (oh, yeah? Do you know how much we spend on trying to "educate" students who are totally non-responsive, due to medical conditions like comas? And we expect them to perform on grade level with age-level peers? It doesn't work) Now we're moving on with the assumption that all students need to meet certain academic standards and devalue other abilities and skills. Then we wonder why we have a shortage of blue collar workers who take pride in themeselves and their jobs. Four years of sitting in advanced algebra, failing each time, when they could have been honing their job and employability skills, has destroyed their self-worth.<br /><br />When I worked as a apecial education teacher in an urban district, the assistant principal, who had worked there for 40 years, would get up in the beginning of the school year and read a list of programs that had been started but abandoned, although officially they were still on the books. He said no one ever graduated under the same educational theory and program they started school.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-993649290245605005.post-9522383154454502082014-01-26T14:18:10.121-05:002014-01-26T14:18:10.121-05:00Jim, Crows also have good memories. Researchers s...Jim, Crows also have good memories. Researchers say if a person bothers a crow, the crow quickly learns to recognize that person. A crow will call in other crows to dive bomb and pester the offender.Warren Bullhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07789270258599769915noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-993649290245605005.post-70205743190271088032014-01-26T13:03:29.654-05:002014-01-26T13:03:29.654-05:00I agree entirely with Jacqueline. Having labels at...I agree entirely with Jacqueline. Having labels at all is for the convenience of the teachers, not the kids. Sorry you had to go through that. E. B. Davishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16746747050278597888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-993649290245605005.post-34506876134516694022014-01-26T12:42:39.017-05:002014-01-26T12:42:39.017-05:00Donnell,
I credit it to the times. We were in the...Donnell,<br /><br />I credit it to the times. We were in the middle of schooling the baby boomers and and entering the wild world of experimentation in schooling.<br /><br />Not everything worked as well as they would have liked.<br /><br />And back then everyone supported education - no one voted down school budgets.<br /><br />However, now there is no excuse. The research is there to support positive educational experiences. Unfortunately, not all of us who benefited from public education and inexpensive college are willing to pay the taxes necessary in order to pass that gift to our grandchildren.<br /><br />~ JimJim Jacksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15090252530437277145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-993649290245605005.post-69097669992970523572014-01-26T12:27:32.281-05:002014-01-26T12:27:32.281-05:00Jim, what an excellent post. When my kids were gr...Jim, what an excellent post. When my kids were growing up I helped out in the classroom and challenged the teacher for this very reason. Labeling children. Your example is such a blatant case of ignorance, I'm having trouble finding the words to reply to this post. Put a label on a young child, and unless that child has a firm foundation, parents who recognize what is happening and are active in his/her child's life, that label has the chance of sticking. And how sad that her label encouraged bigotry as well. <br /><br />I have a feeling this system was taught in education as I'm in Colorado. Nothing as blatant as your example. But children are smart and they see what children go into which groups. A rose by any other name in other words.<br /><br />Donnell Ann Bellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07943037206984648849noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-993649290245605005.post-73483146619381439072014-01-26T12:24:14.637-05:002014-01-26T12:24:14.637-05:00Shari,
During the late fifties and early sixties ...Shari,<br /><br />During the late fifties and early sixties "tracks" were all the rage. If a child was labeled as "vocational" they were segregated into separate classes and the only time the rest of us saw them was in phys. ed. or health or on the sports teams.<br /><br />In high school another group was segregated from the rest--the "honors" students. They were the top 5% of students. I wasn't one of them because in Jr. High I was super obnoxious, "knew everything" and got mediocre grades -- a heck of a combination!<br /><br />Of course, like the vocational people, the honors folks were a closed group and even though I graduated in the top 2% of my class, there was never any possibility of joining the "smart" kids.<br /><br />Because of this labeling, the first time I made high honor roll, I thought it was a total fluke because I wasn't smart enough for that to have happened. I was sure SURE! the teachers made a mistake.<br /><br />~ JimJim Jacksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15090252530437277145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-993649290245605005.post-12536994425967154852014-01-26T11:23:46.157-05:002014-01-26T11:23:46.157-05:00Jacqueline,
There have been some terrific studies...Jacqueline,<br /><br />There have been some terrific studies showing both how negative labels hurt students, but also how (false) positive labels produce results far above those predicted.<br /><br />It's not only the students who behave differently based on labels, the teachers did as well.<br /><br />~ JimJim Jacksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15090252530437277145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-993649290245605005.post-11670972433752116102014-01-26T11:21:00.180-05:002014-01-26T11:21:00.180-05:00Gloria,
Wish I'd a had you for my teach. Love...Gloria,<br /><br />Wish I'd a had you for my teach. Love the crow story.<br /><br />~ JimJim Jacksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15090252530437277145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-993649290245605005.post-40615100588645863622014-01-26T10:42:00.269-05:002014-01-26T10:42:00.269-05:00Managing a classroom is an art - I have seen examp...Managing a classroom is an art - I have seen examples of grouping that actually led to problems for the students, as some teachers let "mean girls" determine seating. Elementary school can be a battlefield!<br />We had A, B, C grouping when I was in school - when my children went to school the names had become a bit more creative. In one preschool I remember the groups were Curious Cats and Bunnies. (Everyone wanted to be a bunny!)Shari Randallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16425493627354028820noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-993649290245605005.post-76012109130160384342014-01-26T10:31:47.533-05:002014-01-26T10:31:47.533-05:00Hi, Jim,
As a retired teacher who taught everythi...Hi, Jim,<br /><br />As a retired teacher who taught everything from kindergarten to college, I understand well how stigmas can destroy student confidence. The most difficult classes to teach reading are those with "learning disabilities." The labels hurt students because they lose confidence in themselves and give up on trying to learn. Teaching methods are changing for the better these days and it is encouraging.Jacqueline Seewaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09177500620940251009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-993649290245605005.post-24936914868715719232014-01-26T09:51:21.977-05:002014-01-26T09:51:21.977-05:00Jim, when I was a kid, my cousin found a baby crow...Jim, when I was a kid, my cousin found a baby crow that had fallen from it's nest. She took it in and it became her pet and would sit on her shoulder. She actually taught it to talk - at least a few words. She faked a Brooklyn accent, and that's the way her pet crow talked.<br /><br />The first year I taught 3rd grade, the other 3rd grade teacher had me teaching groups. It was how it was done then. The next year my students were still put in groups - sitting together in groups; Green Beans, Purple People, Red Hot Peppers, etc. according to the color of the dividers my husband had made for me. They were in groups of 2 boys and 2 girls and their abilities did not come into it. Every grading period I changed the groups having the kids write who they wanted have in their group secretly. Of course, there were those kids everyone wanted to sit with and those no one chose. After the change, I'd tell the class that even if they didn't get to sit with someone they chose, someone chose them. Not always true, but sometimes not telling the truth is kinder than the lie. I never had reading groups after that first year. Those who struggled were taken out once a day anyway for remedial reading.Gloria Aldenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13581719606924364447noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-993649290245605005.post-62582541851921201052014-01-26T08:37:21.714-05:002014-01-26T08:37:21.714-05:00Love it! Yes, I don't know why there are any c...Love it! Yes, I don't know why there are any cardinals left, they're so stupid.<br /><br />This reminds me of having the bald eagle for our national symbol. It's a thoroughly mean bird, will eat other birds if there's not enough fish around. It's also a scavenger, like a vulture. Ben Franklin didn't want it for our national symbol, saying it was "a Bird of bad moral Character." Kaye Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05596677617002735674noreply@blogger.com